Thank you for your lucid commentary on the whole issue of the Croatians actions during WWII and the 1990s. I live on the West Coast of Canada in the biggest city there. We have a Croatian community here whose attitude (generally) epitomizes what you are describing. When the Nazi/Fascist singer Thompson came here to play a few years ago (for a stop on his North American tour), I didn't hear one word of protest from either their community representatives or from individual Croatians. I only heard a community representative defend his Nazi\Fascist music and lie on the radio to the Canadian public about the true content and nature of Thompson's music. The young Croats who I've met are either overt fascists or apolitical and ignorant. I've worked with many people from the former Yugoslavia like Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians ((often refugees from the murderous Croats, Bosniak Muslims or Albanians)and have never encountered a racist or anti-Semitic attitude from any of them, including towards the Croats. This doesn't mean that there is no racism in Serbia, but it revealed a lot to me. You have posed a good question to Croatians ,particularly the youth: Are they going to come on the forum and be Ustashe glorifiers and holocaust deniers? Will they come out and say that they (to a large extent)are unreconstructed Nazis who started the conflict in the 1990s with the support of the newly reconstructed Germany and the United States? Or, will they atone for their country's crimes against their Yugoslav brothers and sisters? The choice is theirs and you've given them a clear one.
You must be one of the biggest idiots i`ve heard in my life, Tito was Croat-Franjo Tudjman(titos general) was Croat...And quiet many Croats where on the partizan side...
serb hater tito ww1 criminal that committed attrocities in west serbia in 1914 as austrohungarian soldier gave croatia teritories never belonged to croatia-istria,dubrovnik,baranja in northeast croatia,furthermore baranja until 1918 belonged to serb province of vojvodina within hungary and as such until 1941 to serbia and in 1945 tito gave it to croatia in same time tito gave kosovo to albanians and started antiserbian propaganda in vojvodina and montenegro, macedonia from 1912 belonged to serbia and tito took it from serbia created false republic as potential agressor to greece, tito applied cominterna communist policy strong yugoslavia through weak serbia same policy of moscow communist toward serbia apply now eu and usa
tito s policy of brotherhood and unity was a false idea that only serbs macedonians montenegrins and some bosnian muslims believed, slovenian and croats never accepted yugoslavia since creation in 1918 either kingdom as serb ruled nor communist croat ruled they were allways sorry for austrohungary, so catholic faith is more important to them then same language that croat share with serbians and bosnian muslims and montenegrins
Your heroic Serbs killed 9000 muslims in Srebrenica....Genocide? YES!!! But you didn't mentioned that. You are blind with hate, and you don't see the hole thing. I am a Croat and i am ashamed of Jasenovac!!!! You are Jew, are you ashamed of Israeli–Palestinian conflict? Croatia didn't commited crimes, some croats did, and that is a big difference.
That is bullshit, 9000 is way to exeggerated and plus do you know the definition of genocide ? Genocide is intentional extermination and Srebrenica was provocation by Alija's terrorists. Croatian NDH massively supported Nazi Germany, so you cannot denie it, which means most of Croatian people joined the Ustase movement. What would happened if Serbia at that moment supported Nazi ? Serbia would have been claimed and marked as worst and the most vicious Jew exterminator. So please face the facts, acknowledge that vast majority of Croats joined the Nazi Ustase movement and admit that Croatia based on genocidal crime.
Okay, I'll gladly answer your question, as I am 19 years old but well aware of the issues. First answer, the Croatians did greet Hitler with his sign in 1941 because the oppinion was that the Nazi's were here to free them from the opressing Serbian king. The atmosphere in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was tense ever since the assasination of Stjepan Radić in Belgrade in 1928. However, once the people saw what Pavelić was doing, they quickly became restless and against the new leaders, because tehy traded one opressor for another. Pavelić had done the same thing as the Serbian king. Second, you have made a fatal mistake, because holocaust is only concerning the Jews, NOT the Serbs. Yes, there were concentration camps and yes, the Ustaše did commit the crimes, with the nazi and fasist soldiers, the holocaust on the Jews and the genocide on the Serbs, however you cannot forget the genocide the Četnici have done at the same time, so this answer ends with a tie. So don't be an asshole saying that we are proud, because that would mean that you are also proud by not admitting that the Palestinian peolpe don't deserve their country. Also, don't bullshit about the nuns. Just see about Alojzije Stepinac, he was in fact HELPING the Jews to survive in those times and later was convicted for war against the country, so don't generalize your question because your attitude is shamefull. You also call the Serbs heroic? Check the history from 1918 till 1941 and you'll see what was the Serbian politic during that time. Oh wait, you can't, because your too focussed on hating us that you cannot be objective at all. Also, what you short-sighted person will never understand is that NOT all Croats supported Hitler and the Nazi's. But there's no point in explaining it to you, because your driven by the same hatred towards us as you are towards the Palestinian. Also as for the messages, of course you'll get those messages because your dissing on the Croats says that EVERY CROAT IS A NAZI, THAT EVERY CROAT WANTS THE JEWS DEAD, THAT EVERY CROAT IS A CRIMINAL. So my Jew friend, before you start any argument, dissing on any country, do get ALL your facts right, do try to learn about what happened before that time and what ALSO happened during, because now, you have showed yourself as a rasist and that's why you get comments as you get. I as a 19-year old Croat, I'm proud to be a Croat, I'm proud of my country, but I'm calling for brotherly relationships with everyone, Serbs, Slovenians, Macedonians and such, because that war did not concern me, I wasn't born then and I belive that we all should be friends, instead of enemies. So now, as you dared me to answer you and admit, I dare you to answer on my comment saying "yes, i have only seen the bad things, i haven't checked what has happened before 1941 and i have never heard of Stepinac". Thank you
Also just to add for your information, if your going to talk about pro-nazi military, try Četnici, because they had the Allies support until 1943, when the Allies saw that they were commiting genocide on the Croats and that they were pro-nazi just like the Ustaše. Partizani were the only ones trying to free those areas from the Nazi
Thank you for your lucid commentary on the whole issue of the Croatians actions during WWII and the 1990s. I live on the West Coast of Canada in the biggest city there. We have a Croatian community here whose attitude (generally) epitomizes what you are describing. When the Nazi/Fascist singer Thompson came here to play a few years ago (for a stop on his North American tour), I didn't hear one word of protest from either their community representatives or from individual Croatians. I only heard a community representative defend his Nazi\Fascist music and lie on the radio to the Canadian public about the true content and nature of Thompson's music. The young Croats who I've met are either overt fascists or apolitical and ignorant. I've worked with many people from the former Yugoslavia like Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians ((often refugees from the murderous Croats, Bosniak Muslims or Albanians)and have never encountered a racist or anti-Semitic attitude from any of them, including towards the Croats. This doesn't mean that there is no racism in Serbia, but it revealed a lot to me.
ReplyDeleteYou have posed a good question to Croatians ,particularly the youth: Are they going to come on the forum and be Ustashe glorifiers and holocaust deniers? Will they come out and say that they (to a large extent)are unreconstructed Nazis who started the conflict in the 1990s with the support of the newly reconstructed Germany and the United States?
Or, will they atone for their country's crimes against their Yugoslav brothers and sisters?
The choice is theirs and you've given them a clear one.
You must be one of the biggest idiots i`ve heard in my life, Tito was Croat-Franjo Tudjman(titos general) was Croat...And quiet many Croats where on the partizan side...
ReplyDeleteserb hater tito ww1 criminal that committed attrocities in west serbia in 1914 as austrohungarian soldier gave croatia teritories never belonged to croatia-istria,dubrovnik,baranja in northeast croatia,furthermore baranja until 1918 belonged to serb province of vojvodina within hungary and as such until 1941 to serbia and in 1945 tito gave it to croatia in same time tito gave kosovo to albanians and started antiserbian propaganda in vojvodina and montenegro, macedonia from 1912 belonged to serbia and tito took it from serbia created false republic as potential agressor to greece, tito applied cominterna communist policy strong yugoslavia through weak serbia same policy of moscow communist toward serbia apply now eu and usa
ReplyDeletetito s policy of brotherhood and unity was a false idea that only serbs macedonians montenegrins and some bosnian muslims believed, slovenian and croats never accepted yugoslavia since creation in 1918 either kingdom as serb ruled nor communist croat ruled they were allways sorry for austrohungary, so catholic faith is more important to them then same language that croat share with serbians and bosnian muslims and montenegrins
ReplyDeleteSomeone will put a bullet in your head if you ever talk shit like this again...DELETE THIS VIDEO
ReplyDeleteYour heroic Serbs killed 9000 muslims in Srebrenica....Genocide? YES!!! But you didn't mentioned that. You are blind with hate, and you don't see the hole thing. I am a Croat and i am ashamed of Jasenovac!!!! You are Jew, are you ashamed of Israeli–Palestinian conflict? Croatia didn't commited crimes, some croats did, and that is a big difference.
ReplyDeleteThat is bullshit, 9000 is way to exeggerated and plus do you know the definition of genocide ? Genocide is intentional extermination and Srebrenica was provocation by Alija's terrorists. Croatian NDH massively supported Nazi Germany, so you cannot denie it, which means most of Croatian people joined the Ustase movement. What would happened if Serbia at that moment supported Nazi ? Serbia would have been claimed and marked as worst and the most vicious Jew exterminator. So please face the facts, acknowledge that vast majority of Croats joined the Nazi Ustase movement and admit that Croatia based on genocidal crime.
DeleteThank You for telling the truth! Long live Izrael and Srbija
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'll gladly answer your question, as I am 19 years old but well aware of the issues. First answer, the Croatians did greet Hitler with his sign in 1941 because the oppinion was that the Nazi's were here to free them from the opressing Serbian king. The atmosphere in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was tense ever since the assasination of Stjepan Radić in Belgrade in 1928. However, once the people saw what Pavelić was doing, they quickly became restless and against the new leaders, because tehy traded one opressor for another. Pavelić had done the same thing as the Serbian king. Second, you have made a fatal mistake, because holocaust is only concerning the Jews, NOT the Serbs. Yes, there were concentration camps and yes, the Ustaše did commit the crimes, with the nazi and fasist soldiers, the holocaust on the Jews and the genocide on the Serbs, however you cannot forget the genocide the Četnici have done at the same time, so this answer ends with a tie. So don't be an asshole saying that we are proud, because that would mean that you are also proud by not admitting that the Palestinian peolpe don't deserve their country. Also, don't bullshit about the nuns. Just see about Alojzije Stepinac, he was in fact HELPING the Jews to survive in those times and later was convicted for war against the country, so don't generalize your question because your attitude is shamefull. You also call the Serbs heroic? Check the history from 1918 till 1941 and you'll see what was the Serbian politic during that time. Oh wait, you can't, because your too focussed on hating us that you cannot be objective at all. Also, what you short-sighted person will never understand is that NOT all Croats supported Hitler and the Nazi's. But there's no point in explaining it to you, because your driven by the same hatred towards us as you are towards the Palestinian. Also as for the messages, of course you'll get those messages because your dissing on the Croats says that EVERY CROAT IS A NAZI, THAT EVERY CROAT WANTS THE JEWS DEAD, THAT EVERY CROAT IS A CRIMINAL. So my Jew friend, before you start any argument, dissing on any country, do get ALL your facts right, do try to learn about what happened before that time and what ALSO happened during, because now, you have showed yourself as a rasist and that's why you get comments as you get. I as a 19-year old Croat, I'm proud to be a Croat, I'm proud of my country, but I'm calling for brotherly relationships with everyone, Serbs, Slovenians, Macedonians and such, because that war did not concern me, I wasn't born then and I belive that we all should be friends, instead of enemies. So now, as you dared me to answer you and admit, I dare you to answer on my comment saying "yes, i have only seen the bad things, i haven't checked what has happened before 1941 and i have never heard of Stepinac". Thank you
ReplyDeleteAlso just to add for your information, if your going to talk about pro-nazi military, try Četnici, because they had the Allies support until 1943, when the Allies saw that they were commiting genocide on the Croats and that they were pro-nazi just like the Ustaše. Partizani were the only ones trying to free those areas from the Nazi
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